Posts by El blanko

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Is there another religion...

by kibizzle in

that any of you know of that teaches everlasting life on earth and emphasizes world unity (aka :won't go to war against another nation so they don't kill any of their own)?

kib

According to a book I have on my lap, the Jews (during Jesus' earthly life) taught that the righteous would rise again into eternal life (Psalms of Solomon 3:16) into the 'garden of life' (1 Enoch 61:12).

Not sure if that is relevant to this thread, but it shows that the idea of an earthly hope was there. Unless the garden of life refered to a spiritual paradise.

I believe 'The Plain Truth Magazine' used to teach an earthly resurrection as well - a magazine I used to read about 20 years ago. I think that was a magazine produced by Herbert W Armstrong as well.

To be honest though, the JWs were the first organization I came across who really "stressed & laboured" this point and claimed unique ownership over the teaching.

Most 1st century Christians appear to have believed a change in state of being; death was the gateway to Christ. Through death came resurrection and a joining with the body of Christ in a spirit body. The hope appeared to be heavenly. Please correct me if I am wrong.

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Dubs and marijuana

by gumby in

years ago, drugs were classified as "pharmakia"(greek for druggery).. the watchwer did a good job in convincing others that since the pagans used drugs in their spiritistic practices......then drugs were bad......marijuana included......... they invited demons.

recently i heard comments from dubs that medical use of marijuana would be permissable since it wouldn't be breaking the law.. the question is......why the change in classification if this is indeed true?.

gumby

El blanko

these "plants" were used medically and spiritually by indiginous "DR.'s"/shamans/medicine men/women in the past with only good results

Name the good "spiritual" results.

That scripture wasn't exactly mindless by the way. At least, I don't view it that way. Sorry if it came across in that particular manner. It also wasn't meant to annoy, but I knew it would.

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Dubs and marijuana

by gumby in

years ago, drugs were classified as "pharmakia"(greek for druggery).. the watchwer did a good job in convincing others that since the pagans used drugs in their spiritistic practices......then drugs were bad......marijuana included......... they invited demons.

recently i heard comments from dubs that medical use of marijuana would be permissable since it wouldn't be breaking the law.. the question is......why the change in classification if this is indeed true?.

gumby

El blanko

Now then.......can we kiss and make-up?

No, no, neverrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ................

Ahem.

Yes of course

Proverbs 15:1

Indeed

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Dubs and marijuana

by gumby in

years ago, drugs were classified as "pharmakia"(greek for druggery).. the watchwer did a good job in convincing others that since the pagans used drugs in their spiritistic practices......then drugs were bad......marijuana included......... they invited demons.

recently i heard comments from dubs that medical use of marijuana would be permissable since it wouldn't be breaking the law.. the question is......why the change in classification if this is indeed true?.

gumby

El blanko

http://cannabisnews.com/news/thread15761.shtml

That link up there is pretty well balanced as far as the gateway theory is concerned.

I agree that home-growing should not necessarily be outlawed, as the dealers around here, where I live, are mostly lowlife scum who will peddle to anybody, at most ages.

The guy I used to buy from used to use a bong in front of his kids who were 6 & 8 and he had no qualms at all about the impression he was giving. It was one of the reasons I quit, the vision bothered me.

I am still a person who holds to the Christian belief system and for Gumby up there who casts me off as "You speak like someone still wet behind the ears out of dubdom my friend" - well ..... (you have no idea friend)

I hope that was a more reasoned response. I certainly don't expect you to agree with me. It is, after all, a much-debated issue that many folks feel very strongly about, myself included.

Of course it was, thank-you. I am mostly inline with your own thoughts. I still support a ban at this time, but realize that under the surface there are issues that are not addressed, like the reason why many choose to blot out reality. I still have that desire, but fight it.

Of upmost concern for me is - Ephesians 5:15-18 .... popped that in just to annoy

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Dubs and marijuana

by gumby in

years ago, drugs were classified as "pharmakia"(greek for druggery).. the watchwer did a good job in convincing others that since the pagans used drugs in their spiritistic practices......then drugs were bad......marijuana included......... they invited demons.

recently i heard comments from dubs that medical use of marijuana would be permissable since it wouldn't be breaking the law.. the question is......why the change in classification if this is indeed true?.

gumby

El blanko

And do you really believe that alcohol alters the mind less?

If taken in small amounts, then by my 'personal' experience, I would have to say it does. I very rarely drink and only have maybe one or two glasses of wine when I do. I also despise alcohols destructive effect upon society.

... and yes, with the people I knew and who were involved in the drugs scene, they did learn to experiment with other drugs. Ecstacy, coke, LSD, speed and one or two, crack. The dealers had access, would give bits out, and then, one get's the taste for the rush etc

I take it your hostility is born out of trying to defend your chosen lifestyle?

In my opinion, if you are able, it is important to stay clean and show younger members of society that there is another way to live, rather than "riding the Shaman's chariot" every day.

The dope heads where I live are getting increasingly younger year in, year out. 9,10,11,12,13,14,15 .... not what I like to see.

Over to you.

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Dubs and marijuana

by gumby in

years ago, drugs were classified as "pharmakia"(greek for druggery).. the watchwer did a good job in convincing others that since the pagans used drugs in their spiritistic practices......then drugs were bad......marijuana included......... they invited demons.

recently i heard comments from dubs that medical use of marijuana would be permissable since it wouldn't be breaking the law.. the question is......why the change in classification if this is indeed true?.

gumby

El blanko

I wonder if Anti-depressants should be classified as pharmakia, given their mind-altering abilities?

By some they would be considered the same thing. I have a prescription of both Zopiclone & Citalopram, neither of which I would inflict on any other human with frequency. I do not use the Citalopram and rarely use the Zopiclone. Both give me a range of symptoms that are both undesirable and "freaky".

That is the best that your average GP has to offer for the depressed soul.

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Dubs and marijuana

by gumby in

years ago, drugs were classified as "pharmakia"(greek for druggery).. the watchwer did a good job in convincing others that since the pagans used drugs in their spiritistic practices......then drugs were bad......marijuana included......... they invited demons.

recently i heard comments from dubs that medical use of marijuana would be permissable since it wouldn't be breaking the law.. the question is......why the change in classification if this is indeed true?.

gumby

El blanko

Why is it okay to have a 'couple of drinks', but not just one hit of MJ?

' Probably ' because it is a far more potent narcotic.

As with many mind altering drug if you do not take a moral stand within society, then the vulnerable and disaffected use the substance as a means to escape continually throughout their lives; never learning to tackle their real issues and therefore never reaching their full potential.

For society to function, we do need to place a general control over other people's habits at the moment. Education and freedom of choice is simply the pipe dream of the liberal.

I used cannabis for years. As the urban legend goes, it can lead into other areas of abuse, when the weed experience becomes mundane.

Medically it may have it's uses and I personally would not criticize any man or woman using the plant as self-medication. I know from experience that it can be a means for pain relief.

Ultimately whether one uses the plant or not is a matter of conscience, but through prayer and personal insight, I cannot endorse it's legality based around my selfish desire to "get out of my tree".

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How many rules are there??

by beaker in

jw
friends

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the ancient isrealites had about 600 rules in the mosaic law which they had to keep.. i reckon that jw's are expected to keep more rules than that.. what's your favourite??.

to start off how about...... you must not have a beard.

El blanko

The whole beard thing is weird. When attending the memorial on the weekend I sported a full beard. One of the few brothers I spoke to actually drew attention to it!

Rather than say "how wonderful it is to see you here" the beard issue came up

Although he didn't actively condemn the beard to my face, I could see behind his eyes that he had already judged me. I attended to test the water at my local hall (as I had heard so many tales) and also to support a friend of mine who is on the outside and suffering as a result (they treat him like a leper regardless of his current moral standing).

It was explained to me a while ago that sporting a beard means that others lack trust in you or indeed consider you part of a radical splinter group, or maybe a revolutionary movement. It was also suggested that you have to trick the householder into believing in the aesthetic and therefore they will be drawn to the message (which goes against scripture - nobody comes to the son unless the father draws him etc).

From my own point of view it is garbage - blerg !!!!

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